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In this episode, I’m delighted to be joined by Victoria Humphries from Bath. Victoria is a polar adventurer, three times Guinness World Record Holder, Mountain climber, Marathon Runner and businesswoman. She prides herself on just being your average woman who happens to believe that anything is possible if you put your mind to it. Victoria, along with her mother or best selling authors of frigid Woman which are sold thousands of copies all across the world, the book tells the story of their part of the record breaking North Pole Expedition and received rave reviews when it was first published. Forward is by Dawn French teacher or one of the leading providers of lesson plans for teachers in the UK during her time at Teach It, Victoria has led it through two acquisitions, two restructures and the rapid pivoting of the business model. As a result of COVID-19, Victoria is also a popular motivational speaker for businesses. She is unusual in the fact that she combined stories from adventures and challenges with her extensive commercial experience to create a talk that is both inspirational and relatable to the challenges of the modern day workplace. Victoria is also known for avoiding corporate job. Let me say I’m Victoria is also known for avoiding corporate jargon and simply users have real life experiences to inspire and motivate what an introduction. Victoria thank you so much for joining me on this episode. Gosh yes. Well in my 20s I think my father probably summed it up very nicely when he said my CV look like a dogs dinner. I say that I was just exploring different opportunities and I genuinely being serious for a second I I genuinely. Believe that unless you have a very clear vocation, it’s very rare that you actually know what you want to do in your 20s, and I think it’s much more important to focus on the skills that you’ve got inherently and the skills that you develop and not worry too much about the sector or the job title, because at some point you will naturally fall into something and at that point you’ll then be on your way, took me into my mid 30s, so I worked. Gosh when I left University I did the M&S graduate training scheme. Which I loved, but I’m not entirely sure I was particularly well suited to it. I then went into recruitment for bits. I did um, temp, secretarial temp recruitment up in London and loved that. I left that to do my North Pole expedition. My then kind of saw the light, so to speak, and decided I wanted to be a primary school teacher for a bit. And while doing that I run my own business as well doing kind of personal development work and some team building activities and so hence my father’s description of the dogs dinner. Um and then eventually in my 30s I I stopped for a bit when I had a child, but I came back to work after 18 months when he was 18 months old. I stumbled into the role at teach it, which was my absolute dream job. Hence I stayed there 14 years. So it’s a real variety, but this the skills being used, whether the common thread very definitely. I can relate to having a buried CV. I think I spent my 20s trying to workout what to do? I was a magician. I was cabin crew as a police officer. I had lots of different jobs and then I kind of fell into recruitment and found it so difficult, but I kept me kept me amused with same user. Word is kept in motivated I think on my toes that’s the right thing to say. It does definitely, so why? Why did? What do you enjoy so much about? Teacher was made. You stay there for so long as it sounds like you were very similar to me before going there in web are you were kind of trying out lots of different things. Yeah, it was what I discovered was what I really am. A very operational person. And also of area people. I’m a generalist which at times if I’m honest has led to kind of self doubt ’cause I’m like, I’m not an expert in marketing or an expert in finance or an expert in sales, but I’ve come to grow in confidence that actually being a generalist, probably a very operationally focused generalist, is actually an incredibly valuable skill to have. And so I learned that about myself and the role very much played to that, but more importantly along the way I realised that. For me, the values of the company and the purpose of what the company was doing were vitally important. So I mean, I’m sure if I was offered 1,000,000 pounds I might be prepared to be put more flexible on my beliefs. But you know, I don’t think that would be the case. Victoria, you sound like you’re quite true to what you believe in, and you say you’re a generalist and you kind of say that. And it almost sounds like it. You’re kind of putting that down, but that that’s almost a bad thing. But I, I believe, and tell me if you agree with this, but. I tend to think Entrepreneurs. That’s exactly what an Entrepreneur is that able to turn their hands to a lot of different things. And you know when you start up a business, my account and said to me and I said, you know, I can’t have someone to do this and this and this and she said to me Jason, you have to understand but you’re just one of these people that can do you know everything and you take that for granted. But a lot of people don’t have that. They have to train in one thing. So I think that though generally strays are the traits of an entrepreneur, I think yeah. I mean I think. Definitely the one thing, and I think having being a generalist is incredibly valuable. And actually now I’ve come out the other end of teacher. I’ve realised how valuable those generally skills are. Even more so you know moving into the non exec director role where you need to be able to understand a wide range of skills with a certain roles where you need to be the accountant or the expert in something. But a lot of the time if you can bring that really broad perspective, it’s incredibly valuable. I do have to say though that the person who set up and created, or the couple who created. Teach it they had the original vision, an that unbelievably entrepreneurial drive where I’m brilliant is implementing it and making it happen on the ground. And that’s something I’ve loved absolutely loved. Sometimes getting my hands a bit too dirty. And as you know, as I’ve moved up the career ladder, I’ve had to realize I’ve gotta step back a bit, but it’s definitely. I think it’s a really valuable, really. I’m really pleased I’ve got the generalist skill set because I. It is very easy to apply in so many areas and I love it. That’s really important to me as well. Looking after staff I suppose is having these generalist skills as well so it gives you a perspective from every side of the fence because you ultimately get your hands dirty. You know in those in those you know every different part of the business completely and I when I first started at teacher there were six of us. I think seven of us when I left there were 30. So pretty much all areas. Not quite all but probably of the areas I had. Spent time or dabbled in there were there was very little. I didn’t know enough. You know to understand what was happening, which is actually really useful because it enables you to trust more easily because someone said to me, once you know when you’re leading a business, you need to have you need to hire the experts. You need to have people chomping at your heels and you need to hide the experts, but and then trust them and it was completely true. You know my senior team, they were all experts in their respective fields. And there was no way I need more than them and therefore it was easily to inherently trust them. You could question, but you trusted them definitely, especially don’t need to know everything that you having ’cause you, you just said yourself, but you’re a peoples person. But I’m guessing those you know what makes you a great people person is being able to understand and relate. And those are the, you know, the qualities of that of a good leader. Yes, I do think it’s really important. Well for me my leadership style. And everyone’s different is definitely to be annoying at times, obviously. And you know question sometimes probably question in a way that it was maybe not appropriate, but you just need to be comfortable with the facts. But once you’ve once you’re comfortable that that team is heading off in the right direction or their exploring something, or they’re innovating, or they’re trying something knew why get in their way, why check up on them if you’ve got a good enough team, you know they’ll come to you with a problem or they’ll come to you with a question. I sometimes think if I’m getting the urge to want to check up on someone, maybe it’s because I’m not doing the job rides. Do you know that there is an element of that? But I think and that’s something I really missed. Actually in the last six months when we were all working from home. But I’m a is a nice person. Me too. You know, I was always told when I was younger it was I was nosey but I now consider a positive. You know, I think it’s really important just to watch and learn and listen and you pick up the vibes you know who’s doing well not doing well. You can just read the situation so much more easily and then you go to step back or interfere. I agree with that. I completely agree with what you said. I’m really interesting, so let’s talk about your kind of strapline, which I absolutely love. Anything is possible. Not to put you on the spot or anything, but how did you get to this place where you believe anything is possible welded? I’m gutted. I’m actually got it. Yesterday I discovered there is something that I can’t. I can’t apply that to so they’ve just announced the new astronaut recruitment selection process and I’m desperate to go to space. Absolutely desperate. So I went online to the European Space Agency and had a look over the weekend to see. Could are you know anything is possible? I was fine just by months with the age. I know I’ve got the. Shoot, I could learn the language and all the rest of it. They needed a Masters or a PhD in science and there’s no way that that is possible for me to do in the next few months. So, you know, anything is possible 99% of the time. I absolutely love that. But you even went online to actually look anything is possible apart from this one thing right now. How did you come, you know? Because yes, it’s a great bold statement. And yes, it’s it sounds fantastic, but that’s among set thing. That that’s something that you’ve got to that place in your life. What kind of tell us a bit about this? This strap line in this journey that you’ve been on because it’s a fantastic journey and I guess within that we can talk about your Guinness World Record Holder, the mountain climbing the Marathon runner. It just goes on and on, but yeah, tell us a bit about this story. ’cause it’s fascinating. Yeah, and I think you know when I joke then about the, you know you’re in space agency and there are times when everything isn’t always possible, but it is a mind-set and it doesn’t need to be. Space Everest North Pole. So I suppose I was always brought up as a child, why not? Why can’t you give it ago? So what if you fall over climb the tree? Well OK you gotta get down on your own if you fall out you’ll learn and not in a cruel way. But it genuinely was innate self belief. We were taught that why not try, you know and so we’ve always given these challenges. My Gran father Notoriously would give us challenges in the summer, probably because we were bored and being annoying, but it was always like well. If you fall in the River, does it really matter? You’ll just get a bit wet, so I suppose that without me realising had a massive influence on me and my brothers mean they’ve both gone and done incredibly adventurous things as well. So when I was in my mid 20s I saw an advert in the newspaper and it literally said women wanted to walk to the North Pole and I knew I could do it. Not in an arrogant way. I don’t mean that, but I knew well, why not? Who was advertising? This is not your normal advert. No it’s not though. Pizza delivery drivers. Perhaps not interested in North poles. You know there was a lady called Caroline Hamilton who was desperate to go to the North Pole and she hooked up with the adventurer called Pen Hadow, who had done various Arctic trips and they decided the best way of doing it was to have a female relay expedition ’cause you know that the original name have been for a small group of women to do the whole thing, but that sponsorship in those days for women to do adventurous activities like that was very hard to get because a lot of companies didn’t believe women were capable of doing it. Sounds weird it’s only 20 odd years ago. Now it would be probably a PR of absolutely success. Absolutely, you know, we now the whole world is very different, but it was a very different place that few years ago. So yeah, I applied and then, you know, preach, practicing what she preached. My mother said, well, why don’t I apply to so she also applies to both of us went through the various selection weekends and what they were really looking for was that mind-set. You know, anyone can get fit and you don’t. Actually, ’cause you have to be very fit. But it’s not. You’re not covering. 20 thirty 40 miles every day, you’re covering 10. If you’re lucky, it’s all about that plodding that perseverance, perseverance, the ability. In the Arctic, no, there is no map. Nothing is ever the same. You can’t take a bearing on if you’re in England. Take a bearing on a tree and walk towards it. Because the Arctic is just made up of ice flows, so that tree, if it existed, which it wouldn’t in the Arctic but that lump of ice would be moving, so everything moves the whole time. You could be walking along and the ice opens up under you. Happened to you Disney? I read in the notes that the ice opened up underneath you and your mother and you found yourself swimming in the Arctic Ocean. Yes, which you know, is quite literally a life or death situation an we were in there for some time. We were unable to get out in the immediate to instant of the accident. So at the time you can’t go into a woe is me and feel sorry for yourself. You have to go into survival and you must have got all that gear on as well so you know to get help with that. You have your skis on your feet, your boots, your sledge is attached to you, or so you. We kicked off our boots and Huskies. We let go of our sledges and then focused on getting us the humans to one side. But of course then you have no spare kit so you only have one ticket because everything about everything is all about weight minimal wear so you, you know we had to roll in the snow to try and absorb as much water and then you just have to go into survival mode again. You can’t stop and wait for a bus to come and pick you up. You are. I know I was in hours and hours and hours away and no one’s going to come get you. You’ve got to have that mind-set. Yeah, to be able to cope with the unexpected, cope with whatever is being thrown at you. I can relate to you because if this is hardly the same but I went to Finland and with me and my mum a couple of Christmases ago and we went out on one of these snow plows and we thought it was kind of a group exercise and we got there and the guy just said no, no. What you’ve got on is totally wrong, and we were kind of we had quite a fair few layers and he said no. You need to put this sheepskin thing on here minimum. We’re thinking, you know, this seems a bit overkill, but anyway, we went we got on and we said, oh where’s the group and he said no, it’s just us. So we were going on this snow plow and we would just going and going and going and going more into the wilderness. He said to me, will stop in the middle for some. Like you know what they do account number. It’s called now like glue Vine and we said to him can we stop now for the break and we was expecting a heart and he just pulled over and said oh this is the break and I looked up my mum and it was minus at her eye. Lids had like maybe there was icicles on them she could bend over and we were we was obviously we’ve only been out for about 40 minutes on this thing so I can’t. Imagine what it’s like to be in the North Pole ’cause we when we got back after that we had to say to him after an hour and a half he said we’re going to do another 20 kilometres and I had say listen, my mom started a good way of the back of this thing, yet she’s really not in a great way. Her bottle of water that somebody has now gone to solid ice. So and then we spent the night in the ice hotel but you are massively digressing and we could. We could hack. It was minus 18 and it was so cold and every team on those machines is. Yeah, so we were getting hot whereas I have sat on one of those machines and flippin Eck. It’s freezing, it’s freezing. It’s bumpy. I kind of just imagine the nice you know when you come to see them. You kind of just think it’s yeah, it’s not like that. You’re constantly going up and down. My body was holding on for dear life. To me, it’s not. It’s not smooth. Definitely not. Sorry, I’ve gone completely off with my holiday story now, but it just it really pulls it back to me. So how long did the expedition tape so we were our legacy expedition with training on the ice for three weeks and we were on the ice for about 3 1/2 weeks. So along time over six weeks in total so the whole expedition itself took about 3 months and the final leg got their final team. Got there at the end of end of May, which did anyone not make it in the group? No we all made it. There were various. A few dramas along the way, but yes, everyone you know each group did manage to make it, but it was. It was. It was tough at times. Very definitely, but it taught me a lot it. What did it teach you? But at the time you just carry on as you are, but it’s when you get in back into the real life and especially in business. Absolutely no question in business. It’s taught me perspective. It’s giving me a perspective on life so you know, pre covid before we’ve all been tested to the absolute limits. But in the normal world pre covid. I would have said things like if the train is late or the bus is late and you late for a meeting. Rather than get hyper stressed or worried about it, I’m like, well, you know you just tell them that you late that’s the situation the world’s not going to come to an end kind of thing. You know now in the last year it’s been harder. No question. Must have been tested but and I’ve had days when I, you know like everyone feel sorry for myself and think it’s all done horrible and all the rest of it. But generally speaking I’ve got the tools to get myself through those difficult periods. You don’t always remember to use those tools. But I think what it’s given me is that Bank of resilience. That Bank of in this situation I did it and that’s what I did and I came out and so you know you can repeat it and constant life isn’t a constant. Life is constantly full of changes, so I’m relatively chilled about change or the unexpected. It doesn’t phase me too much. You have that immediate, Oh my goodness, this is unfair or this is difficult or this is horrible. But I can bounce very quickly. I think that’s what it’s giving me, is that? Taking myself back up really interesting and you wrote, you wrote a book to tell us about the book, ’cause that’s Even so interesting in itself. It’s called the tides, always just may, even making me want to know more. It’s called frigid woman. Yes, well, it might my godfather have to. Actually, he’s he. He said that you need to have racy titles nowadays to sell books. He’s got a point. He’s probably a PR genius in the waiting. You’re checking to the architect of the North Pole isn’t really particularly racy, so he said. Call it frigid women, so that’s what we did, and you know, a few people it puts off. But maybe it attracts more. I don’t know. But um, the vast majority of people you know, like it is not. I’m not. It’s not gonna win any Nobel prizes, but it’s actually sold remarkably well, and it’s something I never thought I would have written the book. It was never something that crossed my mind that I’d be able to do that, and it wasn’t ghost written. Everyone always says. Was it ghost written? No mom and I wrote it. I wrote it while sitting in lectures for my. PGCE education degree I was doing when I came back from the Arctic, so I was sitting the boring lectures and type away on my book on the back seat of the lecture Hall. But yeah, it’s. It’s something I’m very proud of. It was he published in 2010. No, it was published a second or third edition was published the most. Yes, the 3rd edition was 2010. First edition was 98 19. Oh OK, ’cause you did you write it with a different name at the time? I mean, my maiden name is Richard. So soon, Victoria, ’cause I’ve got the book in front of me now I didn’t. He just looks. Yeah, it just looks so interesting. Someone diary format. So Mum, it’s got mum’s perspective and then my perspective, which works quite well because you know, I’m saying I’m having a good day and she said she’s had a bad day and I think that bit was hard and she’s like oh come on it was pretty self together. It was easy. Love it makes me want to read it. In 1997, a group of 20 women set out to become the world’s first all female expedition to the North Pole and it just sounds like a great tale and even the forward was by Dawn French, which is Absolutely Fabulous. How’s that all cover come about? Someone you know? Like all these things, someone knew her agent or knew some connection and she was absolutely brilliant. She was like of course I will. You know right the forward. But she was the patron of the expedition. So after all the menfolk when they were left behind, so of course all the menfolk were thinking that was great. This please, but she was brilliant, and she came the final leg final team. She actually went to Heathrow to meet them when they got back. I mean she, she did she. She didn’t just put a name to it, she actually supported us properly. So I’ve got lovely to hear. Yeah, fantastic, and I think it’s sounds like an absolutely great tale and it’s one that’s on my bookshelf for me to read, what, what, so? Tell us a bit about kind of what you’re doing, current day and how, what you’ve done kind of with your expedition and all these different things you’ve learned, how that’s kind of allowed you to do what you’re doing now. So yeah, so for the last 20 years I’ve been doing a lot of public speaking, lot of motivational speaking to schools and businesses. But it’s always been in conjunction with the day job and at the end of 2020 I left teach it and I was like now is the chance to actually. Explain it, pursue the career and the purpose. The other purpose that I want to do so the purpose was the teacher was supporting teachers and supporting the students who they were teaching. But now I want to do what I want to do, and I have a really, really passionate belief that we need to equip our both our workplace staff and our students for the real world. And by that I mean we educate everyone we seem to educate everyone to believe that the world’s are very linear world. So you go to school, you come out the other end. You go to University or college. You then go to jobs and you eventually at some point retire. You have a few years when you have your pension and then you die. That’s not life and therefore when things go wrong, people aren’t prepared for it. So I what I love doing absolutely passionate. Love doing is working with businesses especially and helping by using my North Pole Expedition and all my other adventures and all the lessons I’ve learned. Help them realize that. Normal people can achieve things normal people you know. I like an electric blanket. I’m not an adventurer. High water. I’m not a hard-core Explorer. I’m I like my home so I can assure you my glass of wine. I don’t like camping in the cold. I think I fall into that category as well. When you were talking, I was thinking that so courageous. I would love to do that. But I lasted an hour and a half on a snow plow and I lost half a night in the ice hotel before having to get a tax 18 kilometres to. Warmth so you know, I think it’s such you know, and you know such a great thing that you’ve done but you know I’m sitting here myself thinking it sounds great in principle, but you have to be that you see. So my theory is supposing I don’t know I’m making this up. Supposing you didn’t know how to bicycle. Yeah, and as a as an adult, you think? Oh well, that’s just too embarrassing or it’s too big a thing to achieve or I’ll never do it so you don’t do it and then you put it off and you put it off and you put it off and you put it off was actually if you put things first for what’s the worst that can happen when you fall off? No one’s really gonna laugh at you. Actually, people would probably respect you for giving something ago, so knowing and realising that there will be lumps and bumps along the way you will. I don’t like to say fail, I prefer to say fall over. You will fall over equally. Don’t think right? My challenge is I’ve gotta ride a bike from London to Brighton. You know my challenge is I’ve got to bicycle from one end of the street to the other end of the street. Give yourself bite size chunks. If you set out to climb Everest, go to Space Ghost the North Pole. You never get there when I do, but I I run marathons. I hate running. I mean I love running, but I do it because of the feeling I get at the other end. But when I set out, I don’t think I’m going to run 26 miles I think. Let’s just run 6 miles. That’s quite easy. Then I can run another six. OK, I’ll do another six and you anything for sixes and you’ve basically done it. It’s kind of weird. You say that ’cause that’s the way my mind works when I’m doing stuff I don’t look at. The overall thing that I need to do because it can be overwhelming. And what I tend to do is break things into chunks and six inches if you. If you too, with the strategy, if you put into business. If you put a strategy and say this is the document. We are going to follow this and the whole company gets on board and you do all the columns and all that stuff and all the graphics that go everywhere. The moment you know one journey down one step down the road, something changes whether it’s as drastic as covid or whether it’s somebody you know the government. In our case used to issue a different education directive or something. Then everyone thinks Oh my goodness we’re failed, the strategy is gone to pot. It’s not going to work now what do we do? No, all you need to do is just go left alright a bit. Still end up at your end goal, but he actually around goal. Maybe a different angle. Hey, you know Shackleton, he set out to get to the South Pole and actually his end goal ended up being. Let’s get the whole team home safely and forget the South Pole. He still succeeded. Really interesting. I think you make some really valid points there, which you know can be applied in business for anyone. And it’s I think just to kind of talk about this as well. It is a tough time for a lot of people at the moment we are. I do honestly believe we’re coming to the end of this thing now and you know, I hopefully there’s real like the end of the tunnel but. We get a lot of people who listen to this show all over the world who are young people who are maybe just starting out there. Maybe thought about University or you know, maybe with University isn’t for them. I never went to University, but you know what advice would you give to people who you know using your mantra? Anything is possible which you know I love. I love. I love. What would you say to people? Maybe kind of starting out trying to find their feet in the world. May be thinking about I wanna might I might want to start my own business one day. What’s your kind advice to people in general and I think it’ll be really helpful to people, especially with the time we’re in at the moment. I think it’s about being open minded, so your goal, for example, let’s say you’ve just come out of school. You don’t want to go to University, your goal don’t set your goal that I want to be a marketing director. Set your goal. I want to learn as many skills as possible, and I think I might be able come a marketing director in the end. If you’re too blinkered. You might close off opportunities, so if someone offers you a job, as long as the environment is an environment that sits comfortably with you, um, and you know whether it, as I said earlier, my values are really important to me, so whatever it is that your non negotiable, as long as those bits are being ticked, be open minded because you never know where that journey is going to take you so you know if you’re driving from and then my case bath to London, the M4, maybe shut the motorway maybe shut halfway. You’ll still get to London, but you may go via diversion. So don’t be blinkered. I would say give things ago because you never know what they’re gonna offer you in the long term. I think that’s great advice. I think a lot of people go through life with tunnel vision and it I always find it amazing. Kind of working in recruitment as well. The amount of time opportunity can knock at someone’s door, but they don’t. They’re not ready for it or they’re not open minded enough to receive it. And you know you should. Like every yes say yes, listen to people when the opportunity and I I think that’s what I’ve been great at in my life. But I think I’ve got better at it the older I’ve got. It is being open minded and that actually sometimes being present. Being in that that present moment and listening to what people tell you. You know, I, I realised a very valuable lesson that the kind of my mid 20s when I was in the police it was yes OK talking is great but listening actually allows you to get a lot further forward in probably most situations. And also don’t be afraid to say, actually Gino, I’m not sure that’s right. So I remember when I finish my teaching degree, I was did some supply teaching begin with and then I was offered a permanent job which I haven’t applied for. It was at school. I visited during working in and I said yes. And you know, I felt excited for a few days and I remember that Christmas. I felt sick because I just knew in my stomach that it wasn’t the right thing to do. Not because nasty school. It just wasn’t. Right for me and my parents said to me will say no. Thank you. You know you don’t. It’s not putting out in a bad way. It’s being polite and nice. And yes, you will cause them problems. Better to do it and be brave and say no thank you. Then you know it’s not. You’re not a failure because you said no thank you or you’ve pulled out or something. You’re not a failure, you’ve just you’re listening. You know, as long as you’ve done the proper research and you’re listening to the right instincts, yeah, I agree, and I think it’s worth saying to anybody who might be listening to this now. I am who made me think oh, you know I haven’t done what I wanted to do by GCSE’s I haven’t done great in my A levels or whatever it might be. It’s worth pointing out you found your A levels. I failed. I didn’t even do A levels. I didn’t do very well in my GCSE’s. I went to an awful comprehensive in the worst 5 comprehensive schools in the country. But you know it doesn’t matter. It can see the end of the world. It’s how you pick yourself up is what counts. I think for me as well when it was, people saying to me, well, you haven’t got qualifications. And I got this fire in my belly. So much of all you know, you know people keep telling me I’m not going to be successful. ’cause I haven’t got this particular piece of paper qualification or whatever. However, you want to phrase it and that for me, was my spelling or factor that made me think by I’m going to go out there and show you all that you’re on. It’s a bizarre way. It’s the best thing that happened to me. I learned so many lessons from that. And yeah, and I learned, you know, feel sorry for yourself for a bit and then pick yourself up again. It’s about how quickly do you pick yourself up and don’t look back. So yes, I look back and I learn from it. So the biggest lesson was take advice, but everyone was telling me not to do the subjects I did, but I wanted to because I was, you know, bloody minded I suppose. But I didn’t look back. I looked forward. And I think that is the really important thing, but otherwise you know you could beat yourself up. These things happen in life and I so I so agree I think, and I think that’s such a beautiful way to end the show. Look forward, keep an open mind anything is possible that you look forward, and I think there’s so many lessons in this for five minutes so people could take away with them. So thank you so much. Victoria people want to find out more about you or about the book. Where can they go to? The best place is going to is to go to my website whichisanythingispossible.co.uk and all the other links are there too. What a great domain name to have as well. Anything is possible.co.uk. Make sure you bring you that subscription that will be gone quick. Of the book that listen, thank you so much for coming on this show. It’s been brilliant. I’ve really enjoyed it. Thanks Dan. That was Victoria Humphries from Bath, her book Frigid Woman you can buy on Amazon. I’m Jason Connolly. This is the career success podcast until next time goodbye.