Hello and welcome to the career success podcast. I’m Jason Connolly. If you’re a first time listener, thanks very much for joining us on the show. But if you are returning, it’s great to have you back in this insightful and thought provoking series.
We speak to business leaders and people who’ve had high levels of career success, but also up and coming an emerging business talents over the future. Episodes were also speaking to some number, one best selling authors. We speak about success habits and what they do in order to ensure they stay at the top of their game. Listen and find out hints and tips to help you in the world of business. How do you set up your own business? And make sure it’s a success, but will also talk about how to drive business growth and get your company notice. In this episode, I’m delighted to be joined by Laura Dibenedetto. She’s a TedX speaker, number one, bestselling author of the six habits, and she’s a life mastery coach. Nora teaches us how to create the life of our dreams without sacrificing what we love. Laura is the founder and CEO of an award winning marketing company vision advertising located in the USA in the Greater Boston area. Laura created, built, and ran. This enterprise for 19 years, having tremendous career success before retiring in 2018 at age 37. Over the years, Laura personally sold several $1,000,000 in ongoing contracts. Was featured in Fox News and many other programs. She’s been publicly recognised for her business accomplishments and was named a 40 under 40 Forbes winner at only age 23, while laws career has been speckled with accomplishments and accolades. When she retired, she was simply burnt out and unhappy. After years of workshops, books and more determined to find energy and lasting, fulfilling happiness in all areas of our life, Laura, it’s an absolutely delight after that long introduction to have you on the show. Thank you for joining me. I’m really excited to chat with you. I know this is going to be incredibly fun conversation. I could tell it already is I could tell it already is. So how to create the life of your dreams and the six habits. What an interesting book. How did this all kind of come about? You retired very young. I did and I got to the end of the rainbow, discovered there was no pot of gold. It just was actually just a pot of misery. You know when you chase all the wrong stuff in the pursuit of happiness, that’s usually the one thing you don’t find. And that was what happened for me. And the book was created because I was searching for a way to find real happiness. And you know my dreams are going to be different from yours, but just to be a happy human ’cause he said Halo lower family answers to questions. But Plater and so many of us, six of them in fact, and you have devoted your time to sharing the lessons that you’ve learned. What was you chasing that was, you know? What was this dream that you was chasing that you got to the end of and you know, was it all money orientated but you know it seems to be for most people? Oh yeah, I mean so obviously you’re across the pond on this side of the pond. We like to chase money and stuff and status and career accomplishments. You know those things are great, they are, but if you don’t have a good baseline level of happiness, that really resonates deep within your soul. None of it matters. And so I chased. All the stuff I had, the toys I had, travel adventures love the whole 9 yards and I did it all in the pursuit of happiness. And of course that’s the one thing I never found. It was just so hollow. So then when I retired, you know theoretically I was like Oh my God, this is going to be amazing. And then I got there. It was like man. Climactic, it was like you, like you can get on a rollercoaster like this. It would be so great it feels like a roller coaster ride at the grocery store.
It was just such a disappointment. I was like, Oh Man, something is seriously wrong here. And I was so depressed and I just wanted to know like, well, what is? What is happiness? Clearly I’ve been defining it wrong and what have you been defining it as well? How do you? What was the definition of OK so so you get a thing you know then you get happy like you do the thing to get this stuff and happiness is waiting for you. Like make sure you know you get married once you’re married then you’ll be happy. You know so much of stuff, then you’ll be happy. It’s a lot of false. If then arguments. Yeah, that didn’t workout. I kind of relate to that. I think you start a business. You grow it. You go to the next milestone. You’ve run to the next milestone by OK, when we get to this size or we achieve this or get to this place, everything is going to be great. It’s going to be Rosie, but that’s so often not the case. And it sounds like you learned this pretty young. How did that so you got to this place and it was literally? That you know I’d hit that brick wall and you just felt kind of a sense of hollowness. Or yeah, well, the thing that surprised me to learn is, did you know that sustained self imposed stress over a number of years can actually lead to in some people internal bleeding? I did not know that, but I know stress is incredibly damaging to health, so that was one of my wake up calls and then so arriving to this finish line. I say this in air quotes. Of retirement where I’m fighting with my husband, I’m being the most epic dirt bag to my family and friends people. I’m supposed to be loving with. It wasn’t happy and bleeding internally and I’m just really sick and miserable everyday. I was like if this is happiness. I don’t think I’m interested. This is awful so I just really needed to solve like the mystery like what is it and how can I create it. And you know, is it something that is can I buy it? Where is it? Where do? Where do they sell this? I want to I just want to be happy and. It was actually it took a bit of work to figure it out, but Oh my God, once I did it was did you figure it out? That’s that’s a hard thing to do. Could you not have that situation and that happiness when you was running the business or did it? Did it take for you to completely step back from the situation in order to go on this journey of self discovery? Given that I had to do loads of research, unlike the people that I work with or the people that read my book, you don’t have to do the research. I did it for you. It’s in the book.
Lot easier to read then research. I’m just saying, yeah, I can imagine. So yeah, it actually it did take some time and I needed the quiet and I to be totally honest with you. I mean as an entrepreneur, you know I feel like you’re going to understand this when a problem irritates you enough. You’re bound and determined to solve it. And it was just irritating me and I finally had sufficient time to focus on it. I was like, OK, I’m not going to slap yet another fancy band aid on this. No more sexy handbags, no? Travel that is clearly not. It let me find out what it really is and solve this the first time. Well done. OK, I’m done. So the research you asked me how I discovered it. I started looking at human behaviour. I started looking at my own behaviour, every wonderful, fluffy and not so fluffy. Self help book out there that the leaders of the world like Tony Robbins. Everybody that’s in this space. What are the agreed upon principles and I’m like OK ’cause it all started out is just like a fairly innocuous exercise. OK will do I just need to meditate more? Will that get me closer? Will that do it? Nope? I mean that’s great. And yes, I should meditate more. But like that, that wasn’t it. It was like looking at the compendium of knowledge available about what the world has agreed constitutes happy existence and what actually creates that baseline level of happiness. Not just like happy moments putting it all together. It assembled itself really neatly in six awesome little piles. And I was like, huh? What are these? What are these six piles? Are these six revelations? Are they six things to read about? Oh, there’s six habits I have to do this stuff all the time. Oh OK, why did you get this? Well, well how did these piles so you’ve done a lot of research? You looked into the teachings of lots of different people. I assume in order to kind of fast fast track. This period of learning. Oh, I don’t need to reinvent the wheel. I simply needed to find the wheel, Polish it up a bit and see what it’s really made of it. Different earnings that you took from different people in different, but who kind of inspired you? Was there kind of a key. Person of a key individual. Or you know where did you get these learnings from? It wasn’t anyone particular thing. The inspiration I mean not to be egocentric or anything, but it was me. My own pain was sufficient enough that it was like OK, well I’m inspired and I got at least enough love inside of me to decide that this is no longer a life worth living. What’s the point like it just felt really. Just pointless, so I mean I had started my career at 19, retired at 37. So in the span of that time I had been to lots of workshops, read a bunch of books, went to retreats, and sat in like meditation classes. She gone classes yoga and I’ve done like all these different things and I felt like I had kind of sampled a lot of what the world had to offer. I didn’t have everything, so I was like, OK, well, this is what I remember. Another, it seems to work ’cause I’m still out. Why? Because these are actually really great things, yoga highly recommend. It’s great. Like you know, building out like a you know a task list or your vision board. All awesome things, but these are not the things that make you happy. As it turns out, it was all the stuff underneath it that makes you do those things. That’s the stuff the life drivers the drive is driving you to do those things and the reason why you want to actually do them in the 1st place. Yeah, like like you could go to a yoga class that you are not going to trance end at the end of that class. And aside like immediately just metamorphose into a totally different human and your highest version of self permanently and irreversible E, that’s not going to happen. Believe me, I’ve tried. It’s it’s just not possible, but the thing that makes you want to go to the yoga class. The thing that makes you go, the thing that makes you. Surrender to the experience you know. At the end of it an you know all that all of the trappings of it. That’s the magic, and so the habits are. Actually, they’re all mental habits. These aren’t things like brushing your teeth or scrolling through social media. These are habits of the mind, and I mean, I’m I’m sure I’m not telling you anything that you don’t already know. Thoughts become things they do, and I totally agree with that. Obviously in the book, the six habits, it’s. Packed full of different information and we’re never going to be able to completely unpack this book throughout this episodes. But what would you say a kind of? You know, the teachings of the book to some of it’s listening to this that maybe things you know I hear you. I’m in that situation. I’m not feeling particularly great. You know, I’m chasing the dream I’m chasing whatever it is I think is in the pursuit of happiness. And I think we’ve all been there. I’ve had times in my career where, you know, I’ve kind of thought. What am I actually doing this for? I’ve had to kind of realign. What is my driver? What is still keeping me going everyday? When you kind of, you know at the start it was. I wanted to get into this. I want to do this. I wanted to do that and then you start going back and thinking actually what? What is the driver here? But what would you kind of say to someone about the book and what? What could the book kind of offer people once you know I appreciate that the six habits are very detailed, but can you kind of give an outline into it? I want to start with kind of like the finish line and then I’ll really kind of describe the meat and potatoes here so the finish line is not what we think it is. It’s not how to make more money, it’s not how to just have a better sex life. Like all of these things are lovely. Like nice things to have, but when you really become your truest, happiest self, you’re the person that actually starts to question the things that you you have always believed that happiness is and you start to drop into your. Own real definition, not the one your mom handed you, not the one that the business world handed you, or the people that are like Oh, you need to be wearing these particular trousers because these are the ones that other people will think highly of you for wearing. You’ll start being more authentically yourself and pursue the things that truly are in alignment with you. The unique human it’s it’s Liberty. Liberty is the goal, so that’s the goal. That’s the end. And let’s talk about the meat and potatoes. There are six habits. They’re all mental habits, an largely. These are our relationship. If us, that’s it. It’s not your relationship with me. It’s my relationship with me and it’s the one that we usually overlook. We’re not educated on it. Largely many of us, particularly women, are socialised to De-prioritise Self. And if you dare to do such ghastly thing as prioritise yourself or your well being. Your kind of demonised for it a little bit between your mom, your you know your friends, the business world, etc. So. These are all things that pertain to self. The six habits are kindness from yourself to yourself. The easier your thoughts. These are words, these your actions and things that you do to treat yourself with kindness. And it’s important that we are really, really acting out of our greatest actionable love, to are ourselves. It could be just deciding to put the fill full fat cream in your coffee, because you just have it. And that’s what you need. Or instead of being like looking in skim milk like, treat yourself with kindness. OK, and you know, maybe don’t give yourself crap. Oh no, like I gained a pound or a stone or whatever. It’s like.OK, I did whatever like, I’m still worthy of love. Kindness is so vital. It particularly in the business environment. Because you know, if we’re really going to sort a massive Heights as business leaders or entrepreneurs or anything, you’re not going to do it with any measure of success or joy. Or perhaps not bleeding internally by your. You’re a loser. Go out there. You have to do this. You suck. You can’t do this. Um, no, that’s not how it works best. So that’s how it doesn’t. It’s true, I’m laughing because it’s true it is, you know, people don’t put themselves first. Yeah, I mean listen, I say this with total transparency. I was ridiculously unkind to myself for years, and I achieved a lot because I was unkind to myself. But I paid a mighty price. I was destroying my insides as destroying my relationships. An I was a hollow empty dirt bag. I wasn’t very pleasant. OK, so is it really that great? Yay, I got money. Woohoo. It doesn’t matter if I felt like crap inside, who cares? Doesn’t mean anything when you strip it back. Yeah, no, no, so that’s that’s kindness. I don’t want to go too far down the rabbit hole in each one ’cause we don’t have five hours. So the next habit is acceptance. Acceptance is. It’s like sisters with kindness. It’s how we feel about ourselves. So acceptance and kindness go hand in hand. What you know, acceptance is how you feel about yourself. Kindness is how you act on that feeling. And this is unconditional self. Love it is. Feel like, yeah, I screwed that up that’s OK so where they love anyway? And look at that time you know I have a gigantic set on the end of my nose. Whatever I still deserve love, it doesn’t matter. I’m still great and it’s it’s just this overwhelming feeling of belonging, acceptance of where you are in the world. Annual right to be here and take up space. Yeah, yeah, I’ve very true. Third habit gratitude. I’m learning a lot of loving it low I could talk to you for hours. Yeah I’m sad but the habits are flying through so quickly. I have I have read part of the book. I have read it but I haven’t managed to get the full way through it in any great detail yet, mainly because I’m probably not being too kind to myself, ’cause I haven’t given myself the time to read over recent weeks again. Well, have a habit of a listen. You know the thing about the six habits is like habits are things we do unconsciously all the time. And like the way these really best work is when you regard all of these things as actually lifestyle. Ann, you’re like you’re always checking in with yourself and just seeing where you are and how do I feel today and what do I need? And is one of my habits slipping like I’m like hyper vigilant about these things for myself. Already talk about third habit, I’m ready, hit me with it though. Boom, OK, so gratitude is, you know, being grateful, but it’s being grateful beyond what we typically think of. You know, many people have started to write out these wonderful little lists before, but have 10 things that they are grateful for that day. That is awesome. And it’s just the beginning, the kind of gratitude I’m talking about is the whole lens that you look at your entire life through, particularly the crappy stuff, and particularly the stuff we take for granted. Like this is the most insane thing in the world. But like sometimes we need to be grateful for the things that like we really, really take for granted. And I had a good giggle with my publicist the other day about this because we were talking about fingers and how I’m so grateful that fingers have bones in them. Can you imagine trying to type if there were no bones in these little flappy like you know meat things just like on the ending are absolutely horrendous. So like just the absurdity of being grateful for the fact it bones exist. That was it. Something we always take for granted. How many people do you know are like I’m so grateful that bones exist, or I’m so grateful for indoor plumbing, my God, it’s great having a toilet. Meanwhile, Once Upon a time, someone at some point was so grateful for the invention of indoor plumbing. What we take it for. Granted, I don’t want to crap in the Woods. I like using a toilet in about. It’s true, it’s so true, so I mean, it’s kind of across example. I apologise, but you know this is the whole point. If you can look for the things that you always overlook if you look for the things that suck, like I’m an abuse survivor, I say thriver that fits better. I’m going to abuse thriver. I overcame that stuff and punch the adversity right in the face and I’m so grateful for what it pulled out of me. Do you think that it’s taken a lot of adversity for you to? Find out these lessons because you know if you hadn’t been through those crud times in your life, do you think you have got to this place where you found this kind of happiness? No, I don’t. I’m very grateful for every crappy moment. Every terrible circumstance I went through because they all revealed certain things inside of me and also certain ways that I could look at the world. Because, you know, it’s so easy to fall into victim mode. But I get sick myself pretty quickly and I get tired of like woe is me. I just get sick of myself when I’m in that state and I can only take it for just so long. It’s like you ever like, feel really depressed and you’re like sitting up in bed and you’ve got the ice cream and you’re just like sitting there with your blanket like and you’ve got your wine and you’re spouting at the world you like I’m a victim and that’s all there is to it, right? And you’re feeling so self righteous in that. Usually after about 3 hours about, I’m like I’m done. I can’t do this. Like I can smell myself rotting right now, I I gotta move I can’t. I gotta get onto a different frequency. You gotta change that. That way you’re thinking, yeah, I mean we just need to take responsibility for our own well being and I tried so many times over the years to do it. And one of the best tools was actually gratitude because it’s easy to look at a situation where you’re, you know, you’re victimised at the hands of it, abuser or a terrible client. Lord knows I’ve had plenty of those, or someone that’s raw end of a business deal. Like or I lost a contract or or like whatever the list just goes on. If you take it, you know if you look at everything in that way exactly. It’s so easy to get caught in that, so we sort of flying through time here. We were up to listen #4 Laura so habit. #4 is the habit of presence and anyone with ADHD like myself will tell you that’s a tricky one. Put down your phone. Stop worrying about the past or the future, like just be in this moment. It’s really, really hard. And the thing about presence is largely were so distracted by the news, the impending doom of the world, the upcoming elections. You know, my God, covid, blah, blah, blah. We’re really robbed of the joy that’s in, you know, in this particular moment. So just real quick. What mastery looks like when we are present is the world could be on fire around us, but as long as we are OK we have the power to say. This moment is a good one. I’m going to live in this one. Yeah, here’s what else is going on. So habit. #5 is the habit of goodness. Think of this one is just simple math, good energy and bad energy out. Ever have a toxic conversation with someone that’s weighing you down like a ton of bricks? That’s gotta go. You gotta client from health. Gotta go, you gotta business dealing where you’re being wholly dis respected. Gotta go you sitting there with the news and social media all day long where if it’s free you’re the product. It’s gotta go. What you need to add more time with loved ones being nature. If you can like whatever things that add good to your life. Sometimes I mean shoot for me, I could just sit with like a Cup of tea or blanket my cat and watching old Golden girls episodes. I like those things. I’m very old inside so if you add good to your life whatever your version of good is and this doesn’t mean like self care honey. Go get your Manny and Petty if that’s what your thing is. Go for it, but if your thing is sometimes sitting down and building a business then do it. It doesn’t matter what the good is as long as it really feeds you and take away the things that are constantly starving. You know, that’s goodness in a nutshell, right. Final habit is the habit of intention. Intention is knowing The Who, what, where, Why, when, and how of what you want and making it happen through incremental action, no matter how small. And it’s so so overlooked. Often times in business I can’t tell you how many times I got overwhelmed, I got intimidated. I got scared, I got freaked out. I can’t do this, but you know what? Even if I just made one teeny little action was what I needed. It always set me free and it kept me going. Momentum is so important. It’s clarity, it’s movement, it’s momentum. It’s all of these things. And there’s there’s ways that we can master each one of these. So one thing I want to say. Summarising, each of these six habits, it’s lovely to know about them, but it’s also lovely to know about pianos. It doesn’t mean you’re going to be good at playing a piano just because you know about a piano, so I’ve given you so far the description of what the habits are, not how to actually do them or exhibit them. Those are obviously in the guts of the book, which is loaded with tons of free stuff, so you can actually begin to do it. Sounds though, like this isn’t. You know these things. In practice, and sound like. You know, Grey? OK, I can start looking through this new lens, but in theory this this involves a lot of work. What does it take for someone to master and actually put into practice these habits? It’s it begins with self awareness. You always have to be aware of who, where you are currently, but that’s a lot of work. In the beginning. You gotta take a step back and really always think about it. You know, just someone have to constantly think about what they’re doing, how they’re thinking. Well, yeah, in the beginning you do so the one of the things that I wanted to make sure was really really. And you know, like available to people, so anyone that’s reading the book I built in loads of exercises that can help you gain the self awareness. They’re all free when you get the book, you’re able to download the exercises that I think is the equivalent of like a 70 page workbook that you can go through. That will give you comprehensive 360 degrees self awareness because you can’t do anything until you’re aware of where you are. And I can tell you right now anyone listening. You mean we all have levels of proficiency in each of these habits now, but human to human it’s going to vary. You might be actually really, really good at intention, but you might really stink at kindness. Also, finish reading my book, I’m just saying. I’m going to. I’m looking so forward to getting through it. It’s totally up my street and I think a lot of these habits I’ve kind of some of them I’ve picked up over the years from reading different things. I think the art of gratitude being on a positive frequency, but I think to have it all kind of pushed together by you. You’ve been in business, you’ve had a business, you know the struggles you have reached that kind of place in your life where you wanted to find the answers, and you’ve compiled them into a place which everyone can find. I think the way you put them. There’s a lot of these books out there, but sometimes there’s a lot of jargon the hard to read the hard to understand, the hard to decipher. It’s hard to relate it back to you. You know you’ve kind of compiled this in the place, which is really easy to kind of understand and actually bring it back and make it relevant to you as an individual. Well, thank you very much, and that really was my whole goal I wanted so desperately for other people to skip the struggle that I went through, like I struggled for years to go to all the classes, read the different books, and it’s like, wow, these are all great ideas, but I still feel crappy. Why and I just needed like the very best of everything. Put in one tidy little place for me. I needed to figure out where I stood with self awareness which was step one we got derailed. I will finish the other steps. Yeah with a DD I managed to get myself back on track. Thank you so step one was self awareness help you to do that. Figure out where you are now. Then you need to decide well what do I want? What do I really want for myself? If you just if you discover through your self awareness that perhaps you are actually had a severe deficit in the kindness Department and that perhaps is causing you the most pain in your life, perhaps you’ll want to start there. And by start this is step three. You need to powerfully take a look at. Like the habits and what it’s going to take for you too, and you’re going to. Those live the very fullest, highest expression of it now, and it’s going to feel awkward as hell ’cause it’s not going to be genuine. This is totally 100% it till you make it. You have to do this so much to actually build a habit because what is a habit. It’s an unconscious thing we do repeatedly. How do you acquire a habit by consciously doing it? Do you think you’ve mastered the habits yourself or do you think you have to keep going back and working on them? Yourself constantly is ever evolving. I think as a human I continue to evolve and I have mastered some to the point where I really don’t need to return to them, but new situations in life will pop up and will present me with a curveball like I’ll give you a great example, like when I moved to Maui, the price of real estate here is bordering on the ridiculous. So where I lived in Massachusetts before I had a very large home. Beautiful swimming pool like nature, sanctuary behind me of like you know several 100 hectors and you know all this other like wonderful stuff. It was idyllic. Then I come here and for the exact same dollar value I could live in a Porta John. So I downsized a bit to move here and I was like huh now I have a lot of successful friends and I remember feeling like, Oh, they’re going to want to come stay with me now. I can’t wait to come, stay with you and I had my old nagging self come back which was they’re going to think less of you because you don’t live in a multi $1,000,000 mansion on the ocean. No, I don’t because just to even see the ocean. You’re starting at a million and that’s living in a dump. You know, like it’s just crazy, but then, but this is where the habit actually kicked in my habit. As I outlined in chapters, kindness and acceptance. The powerfully take a look at. Like the habits and what it’s going to take for you too, and you’re going to. Those live the very fullest, highest expression of it now, and it’s going to feel awkward as hell ’cause it’s not going to be genuine. This is totally 100% it till you make it. You have to do this so much to actually build a habit because what is a habit. It’s an unconscious thing we do repeatedly. How do you acquire a habit by consciously doing it? Do you think you’ve mastered the habits yourself or do you think you have to keep going back and working on them? Yourself constantly is ever evolving. I think as a human I continue to evolve and I have mastered some to the point where I really don’t need to return to them, but new situations in life will pop up and will present me with a curveball like I’ll give you a great example, like when I moved to Maui, the price of real estate here is bordering on the ridiculous. So where I lived in Massachusetts before I had a very large home. Beautiful swimming pool like nature, sanctuary behind me of like you know several 100 hectors and you know all this other like wonderful stuff. It was idyllic. Then I come here and for the exact same dollar value I could live in a Porta John. So I downsized a bit to move here and I was like huh now I have a lot of successful friends and I remember feeling like, Oh, they’re going to want to come stay with me now. I can’t wait to come, stay with you and I had my old nagging self come back which was they’re going to think less of you because you don’t live in a multi $1,000,000 mansion on the ocean. No, I don’t because just to even see the ocean. You’re starting at a million and that’s living in a dump. You know, like it’s just crazy, but then, but this is where the habit actually kicked in my habit. As I outlined in chapters, kindness and acceptance. The habit that I acquired was the redirection which was oh girl no, no no, we are not going to treat ourselves this way two day if they do not love you for who you are and they only value based on the quality and size of your home, they don’t deserve you. We’re done here and I’m like. So much better. I love talking to you is is your book available on audiobook? It is. It’s only available on audio through my website. And if you’re enjoying the sound of my voice, but that’s all I was going to ask typing actually hearing you talk through the habits. I think it’s a totally different experience and I think it brings it to life. You know, I’m not sure what I hear your voice necessarily talking to me through the book. Had I not spoken to you now, it’s kind of a very different experience, so you’re going to. You’re going to read the rest of the book. A non paper or Kendall or whatever you’re reading it on and you’re going to hear my voice being like honey. You need to be grateful, OK, you’re just gonna hear it coming through will try you know we coming to the end of the time now but what continues to drive you are you driven there by these habits by the is there a driver? Is there something that you know gets you out of bed in the morning everyday? Yeah thank God I was always so directionless. You know I chased money because that was the thing to chase. You know when I chased it success and toys and blah blah blah. Moving to Maui was actually one of the first gift I ever gave myself where I was. Instead of running away from pain Iran tour. Enjoy an moving here for the first six months, was epic, then covid showed up and things have changed a bit, but that’s OK. I’m still motivated everyday because through doing this I was able to discover my purpose in this point in my life is to share the Liberty of joy with others and how easy it is like. You know their simple habits like everything I’ve mentioned, they seem simple and they’re also difficult to apply an I just so desperately. I want every single day of my life to be devoted to sharing the message, making it easy for others, and giving people every opportunity to really just adopt these habits and remove everything that could potentially make it hard. Because I see so much good on the upside, like don’t you think business leaders will be better leaders if they are living in a state of gratitude versus condemning and treating their employees like crap like, wouldn’t government officials be operating from a place? Of you know better leadership and really like going after things if they. If they truly accepted themselves and didn’t have something to prove, totally agree with you. I can’t say anything or other than I agree with you. Is as simple as that, but I think it’s really interesting. People want to find out more about you Laura, or indeed order the book. Where can they go so it is available on Amazon and the audio book is available on my website as well as a paper copy. I’m able to Mail them out to people in the United States. In on my website, but you can get to the centre of everything at the six habits.com it’s The Six Habbits.
You can find out about the Ted Talk which is going to be. We didn’t even talk about that. We didn’t even have time to even move on to that. Big subjects. Hopefully another time another day, another episode we could talk about that, but I think the six habits in themselves, you know, was so worth us. Even just having the time to talk through those get a brief understanding and some people can actually, you know, hear that and you know, I’m sure there’s going to be people out there that can totally relate to your story. You know and think to themselves. You know, this is me. I want to find out more about this. So can I give a parting thought? Would that be OK with you? Yeah, your floor is yours. OK, so the parting thought I really just want to leave everybody with is. There is no prerequisite to doing this work, as long as you are alive and you have a pulse, you can do this work even if you are trapped in a wheelchair. You can do this work because this is all the work in the mind. the IT doesn’t matter if you’re rich, you’re poor, you’re married, you’re single, young or old or even stubborn. You can absolutely take control of your life, your mental habits, your relationship with you, and I promise you. If my stubborn self can do it. And with all the obstacles I’ve faced, there is no reason that anyone else cannot. This is truly an invitation available to everyone. Zero prerequisite. So yes, you’re good enough now, and you should totally give it a shot. I absolutely love that lower thank you so much as being such an uplifting well for 35 minutes. Thank you. And if you want to find out more, as long as said you can go to www.thesixhabits.com find out more there. Laura, thank you so much. This is me Jason Connolly on the career success podcast, until next time goodbye.