Hello, welcome to the career success podcast. I’m Jason Connolly. If your regular listener, it’s great to have you back, but if you are and you listen are welcome to the show in this insightful thought provoking series, we speak to business leaders and people have had high levels of career success but will also talk to up and coming and emerging business talent as well as some of the number one bestselling authors of business titles we speak to such a variety of talent across different industries.

We talk about success habits and what they do in order to ensure they stay at the top of their game. Listen and find out hints and tips to help you in the world of business. How do you set up your own business and make sure it’s a success? But also I have to drive business growth and get your company noticed, practical advice to help you in your career. From those who have made it. In this episode I speak to Liz Scully, Emmy Award winning this Scully is a strategist that believes that business should be ridiculously fun as well as highly effective. She runs mastermind groups for herself and other well known coaches. She trains coaches to run effective masterminds, bringing skills from over 20 years of working on. Fake Hollywood films. She helps brilliant minds achieve more together than alone. Liz has been featured in the global LMAO business news, daily thought, leaders, LOC body, enlightenment time out London and as well as the me. Her work is Multi Oscar nominated Liz, thanks very much for joining me on the show. It’s an absolute delight to be here. Thank you. It’s your background is so interesting. I almost don’t know where to start but I guess working on Hollywood films tell us about that 20 years of working on Hollywood films. That’s so interesting. Yes, it’s also such a long time. It is a world that expects you to work 18 hours a day, seven days a week for probably the 1st, two or three years after I left film. I was still excited about things like weekends and daylight working knowledge. It was quite small. Yes, exactly. How did you get into all of that? ’cause It’s really difficult industry to crack into. Well, I think is notoriously known as hard to get into.

Absolutely, it’s very hard to get into. In fact, one of my friends said recently, how did you end up in film? And nobody ends up in film. You claw your way in over many years till eventually people get used to you being there so for me I did a degree in design in Glasgow, the Glasgow School of Art and I realised I didn’t want to make my money from that. But I did want to work in the film industry. I want to use all those skills. Anne frankly, I was too dumb to know that was difficult. So I moved to LA, got a job and started working on films. So easy, it was as simple as that. It sounds like how did was your first job in film? How did it all kind of come about? Well, I I’m asking you a lot of questions dating back many decades. I do appreciate that exactly. It was years before email. It was like it was the Dark Ages. We barely had phones frankly, so I sent my resume and a couple of application letters to some places that I had gleaned from the ends of credits of films. And one of those ended up to be the place that invented green screen. Would you believe? And they did a lot of work for them in that same world. So I started building motion control models, which is physical models built in fibreglass that go on the end of a stick on a camera, and then you green screen stuff in in the background and I went out there and used all my skills, building things, doing that, and after about a year I thought This is wonderful. But the stuff we worked with was just. Toxic and there were so many ways you could kill yourself with it. Cancer and epilating stuff. It was dreadful and that was just the stuff from the end of the sticks. People.

But yes, I realised that there were people who are working with computers that were going home clean without touching toxic stuff. And I thought what they did and I came home, did a Masters and that, as they say, was all she wrote for awhile and and it was wonderful. It really was wonderful, but it is hard work and you sit in the dark all day. But yeah, it was very geeky happiness. So working in Hollywood did, did you learn a lot of lessons out there? What did it kind of teach you? Because to be in that environment for a long time. I’m imagining it. It must have shaped you as a person in certain respects, absolutely. So I worked all over the world working on big films. So you learn to work with a lot of people that are actually the big thing is that everybody is paid a lot of money to be right. So you get very used to working with teams of people and being fairly diplomatic about the fact that obviously not everybody can be right all the time which you work with lawyers. So I’m sure this is something you have encountered before, shall we? So yes, I’m very familiar with that. So I’ve seen the Bolt and a way of working now is about people having a voice, an opinion and maybe trying to add value and saying something was different. It was it kind of a face fitting type culture where you know you want to be agreeable to fit into the crowd, so to speak. Well, to be honest, they’re quite happy you having odd thoughts and strangeness is particularly encouraged when it’s about half my time was in film about half was in commercials, ad agency branding. That side of things. And for that they really want you to be a sort of genius oddball. That’s really what that means. I could have gone to work everyday dressed as Daisy the cow, and no one would have blinked. But if I turned in a project late, that was unacceptable. So right? The lines were very clear where they were drawn, but the big thing I learned in film and commercials was that you’re only as good as your last job. And it’s not about not making mistakes. It’s about how you deal with that mistake. Right, OK, this guy is kind of the same in my industry.

You’re as good as your last months billing, so to speak. How did you did you have projects then? But maybe didn’t go so well that you had to kind of pick yourself back up from the gutter, so to speak, but didn’t go so well endlessly. So I worked in visual effects. I worked in lighting for visual effects, which basically means that you work with computers in vast rooms full of sweaty boys, all of whom have been working stupidly long hours and for a long time it was. Cool boys, but bit by bit women started infiltrate that it’s still I have to say very homogeneous in colour of skin but that shift to a wider group of people was there as we began with sort of a mix of genders and stuff. So we got used to working with people from all over the world. And then there was that just hard push endlessly. So I got very used to blindingly hard deadlines. Very technically difficult stuff. And because you’re working at the cutting edge, even the bleeding edge of Technology, the computers just fail. So yes, I have had horrendous things go wrong and then had to turn around to the client and go so about that deadline. What? What kind of drove you through those times? You know things didn’t go so well. A lot of this series. We speak to people have faced adversity, real challenges in their career. I always find it very interesting to find you know what. What drove people through those times of struggles in their career. And you know when the Times weren’t going so right. You’re right, there is. That is very interesting and it is, I think in the film industry, that’s a huge part that when things go badly, everyone expects it. In fact, an entire film crew will. We have built into the budget for film. There is a contingency that isn’t extra, it’s just for the unassigned disaster that we don’t know exactly what that will be yet. And if you’ve ever been on a film set white at the end, when there hasn’t been a disaster or it’s horrendous because everybody is so jumpy because something horrendous is going to happen, we just don’t know what it is. And when I work with entrepreneurs now, I find it strange that they don’t expect disaster like that. Do you? Do you still think the film industry has a long way to go in terms of diversity? It’s been, you know, a hot topic of conversation in recent years. Absolutely, absolutely not. Just gender, but in just. Basic diversity. There’s a. There’s a mix of sexuality that’s pretty good. There’s increasingly more women, but Yes, it is. It is very white in that space. I have to say. OK, yeah, I I think you can’t go too far without without hearing about that these days. And I think films definitely has a lot of press coverage in that respect. Well, what advice would you give before we sort of come on to what you do present day, but someone wanted to get into the film industry who’s maybe kind of a graduate starting out in their career. Or some of that. You know, it’s I know a guy, for instance who is trying so hard to break into acting. It’s really difficult and I think that we’re now is a very difficult time to even be in the industry. But what advice would you give to someone wanted to crack into this industry from, you know, having been there on the T shirt several times over several days? Running as well. Acting is different, but from the production and postproduction side where I used to be, it’s about who you know and you can develop that by going into work for free for places. So being a runner, which is basically a glorified assistant, actually not even particularly glorified, but doing the work being amenable, being there at 3:00 o’clock in the morning, being pleasant at 3:00 o’clock in the morning and then again at 6 when you have to come back to work. And if that sounds dreadful, yes, it is. That’s exactly why you need to be. Pleasant, you need to be fine with the fact that yes, you are doing something glamorous, but what you’re actually doing in that glamorous place is something very, very prosaic. Because we have this very complicated and very clear hierarchy. But the joy of a film set, and this is really what I find working with outside of the film industry. Now where it works well is we’ve got this very complicated hierarchy, but it’s flat, and because everybody knows exactly what their role is and exactly where their place in the pecking order is. You can have a runner that lowliest of all assistants chatting away to a director, but everyone is very clear with outline is when the when the decisions have to be made, they’ll go to the director. It’ll be very clear when the sandwiches have to be delivered. We go to the runner, right? OK, that makes sense. Obviously your Emmy Award winning multi Oscar nominated apart from those. Or perhaps those moments themselves. What was your kind of highlight of working in the film industry? You know what was that? We’ve talked about some of the struggles, but you know. Tell us about some of the highs, but to be honest it sometimes one of the same so that kind of the most stressful jobs are the most memorable ones. And often they were nominated without actually being that good because the joy about visual effects is the sort of films that are summer blockbusters that you simply forget. So they are very forgettable films. They are not the war and peace of the film world. Stuff gets blown up. I used to build cities and you would see my cities on fire and. Night daytime and under waterfall and I remember I worked on the film Poseidon the remake, which was dreadful and was nominated for an Oscar for the effects. God knows why? ’cause it wasn’t very good film at all, but it looked beautiful at the time. It has now dated horribly as all the effects has, but I worked on that show. We did nine months, pretty much solidly, six days a week, and when I sat in the cinema at the end it was five seconds of footage. Or move camera. It was horrible. Wow, it must have been kind of quite nostalgic in some ways, but you could have spent absolutely ages working on something which could have been so minuscule in the grand scheme of a film which was so technically complicated. Or you could have done the complete opposite works on something for ages, which was, you know, your work in the film is very, I think what I’m trying to get at is it, could you know, the actual rewards and what you see and what’s coming out and what the end product is. Is so different from the actual work and the investment that you’ve put in. Did you kind of feel that some of the films that you sort of what really **** ** for tireless, you know, amounts of time into to see such a small kind of end visual goal that how did that kind of sit with you? Was there kind of feelings that you have internally? Which was you thought, got off work so **** ** this, but you know the end result of what I’m seeing is so different so that I’m invested in my sides completely, although in some ways I mean the reason it was such a small amount of film time was that what I worked on for this item was the moment where the boat. Flips from right way up to wrong way up and they shot it between the was real footage of things tumbling. Then there was our computer graphics stuff and it had to be nature identical for that stuff, right? Work? It’s hours and hours and hours of work with many people. Hundreds of people to get that to work and the same with. I remember the time when we were faking documentary footage, animal documentary footage which happens all the time but is never mentioned and I was doing it with the team. Fantastic team actually. Full I probably shouldn’t say who is well, but he extremely well known extremely well known company that you would have heard of and the there was a new producer on that show and she was ecstatic with the work we were doing as she might because you truly couldn’t tell what was a real butterfly and what was our butterfly. And and it’s the sort of footage you know that whenever you look at a wildlife stuff you think, how did they get that shot? They didn’t a room full of geeks like me did that the secret? So I’m learning so much. That’s really interesting. What was he was was kind of most rewarding for you. What was it that made you tick? Was it kind of the technical staff or was it kind of in visual goal? Or was it the Motion Picture in itself? Or what was it that you thought? Yes, this is what makes me get out of bed in the morning? Well, it’s a combination of working with a team of like fantastically talented people. That was amazing an I have to say there’s a little bit of ego about the fact that hundreds of millions of people have seen my work and but that really didn’t motivate me. Is making something beautiful? It sounds a bit poncey but absolutely true and I get it. I get it. I’m really interested. So what motivated you to kind of go leave the film industry and to make this transition into being a coach running mastermind groups? How did that kind of all come about? Did you hit a certain point in your career where you thought I’ve had enough? I need to go out there and do something different. How did that transition manifest itself? To be honest, I it was a combination of two things. One is, I got sick from the from the work, not in a kind of. The nervous breakdown I’ve taken to drink, but I actually had to have a a couple of couple of surgeries like 2 surgeries. You can’t call me a quick learner. I didn’t. I didn’t learn from the first time I had to have it done again and I realised that I was beginning to run out of things they could cut out of my body. As result they hated stand dramatic about this, but I sat in a bar and I actually made a list of things that I could lose. You know, like I have two legs, I know I probably need those. I completely lose and I probably lose a lung. And I’m like this is madness that I’m even. Thinking like this was this stress kind of this to do with stress? Do you think that was part of a manifesting? Truly, I work seven days a week, week, hours a day for at least half the time I was there. If you leave a film crew at at night and I’m sure many of your lawyer listeners will understand this if you leave at you go out to a hail of people shouting part timer just awful. It’s true, you know city lawyers will work. It’s a meat grinder if you work in the city. You’ll be working all day on UK hours and then you might have a corporate deal that’s going on in the US and then you find yourself working till 10:00 o’clock at night. East Coast or West Coast time. It’s This isn’t the first time I’ve heard this in a podcast and speaking to someone about how people have got to a point in their career and this was only two episodes ago with a lady called Laura Dibenedetto who wrote a book called the six habits. She was getting internal bleeding and really ill, but it was all kind of stress manifesting. And I found this to be so insightful even myself running a business. But people get to that point and it’s such a shame that people have to get that point to fill, you know, in that way to have these problems to then take that action to adjust. That was it. Kind of the passion that just kept you going through these kind of illnesses. Why? Why didn’t you stop sooner? I think. So I’ll be honest. I know I’m asking quite personal questions. I think this is so relevant to people who were struggling, but I think it’s a combination of two things. Three things really. One is always loyal to the team. Wherever the team was, ’cause obviously that’s the same people you see in different films, different shows. That wasn’t always the same company, but it was the same groups of people, so one it was a team. You don’t let anyone down too. I’ll be honest, it was extremely well paid. That’s good and hard to give up. It’s got quite a lot of prestige around it, yeah. And also I did love what I did I truly loved most of it. I just didn’t like the hours and there is no mechanism within the film industry to do the job and work sensible hours. It’s just not possible. Yeah, it? It sounds like it’s got a life span on it. You can’t kind of continue in that way for long periods of time. It’s you know you’re going to run yourself into the ground. ’cause I’m not an expert on Hollywood or an expert on the film industry. Is there kind of a life span where people can you know work behind the scenes into their kind of late fifty 60s late 60s? Or you know, due to the kind of those expectations around? What’s expected, you absolutely well when I first joined the industry, it was assumed that after 10 years you’d be burnt out. And while I was working in the industry that went up to 20 years, now it’s about 10 years since I got out about. Even though I think of it is getting out. That’s a bad sign, but I would imagine it’s probably gone up a little bit, but to be honest, it’s a young person’s game because the hour’s because if you actually want to be able to consistently turn up your family at specific times, I can’t tell you how many dinner dates I cancelled or the amount of times I would phone people go. Yes, I will definitely be there, followed by. Yeah, so something fell over at work and I need to fix it over and over again. There’s only so many times you can do that before you do there is and then you start feeling and you know I felt this myself running a business. I’ve had times where they started my business four years ago and I’ve had times where I’ve sort of sat back and forth. What am I actually doing this for? You know what’s my? Social life is depleting around me and falling down. And then yes, OK. I’ve got making lots of money, but am I actually happy you know that it’s two very different things and I think a lot of throughout the series. Of the career success podcast, talking about career success. Lot of the conversation has actually gone back to happiness and people have to get into the states of work, work, work, work, work and to a point where you know even you said yourself people are having illnesses and not feeling well and the stress is manifesting itself in all these different ways. So I what was actually started off as to career success podcast says a lot of the conversation. It’s been almost about happiness and how that ties into people’s careers to tell us about the mastermind groups, but. You’ve kind of been running starting what that’s kind of all about, because until I read your profile, I’ve heard of mastermind groups, but to me it sounds like something. I imagine a group of people from University professors or sitting down. I know I’m very far away from probably the reality of what is, but tell us about this exactly I’m speaking to whilst wearing a cardigan with patches on it. It’s so true. Very nice calendar. Oh yes, I imagine exactly so. Mastermind group is a small group of people that meet. Regularly set goals. Discuss questions that are sticky for a particular topic and the goal you’ve set. You will meet for the next time, so in essence they’re super simple, but it’s the same way that coaching or psychology is super simple is as in, it’s just a conversation. This is a lot more than that. By being around a group of your peers who were going to achieve the same things but they promise, then you will too. And it’s the reason I found it so powerful was when I left the film industry. That very collaborative. Very idea based world. Suddenly it was me T. Rex typing away in my bedroom, quietly creating an entirely new business and even when I went out worked in an office. It was the same thing you. It’s so tempting to work from 5:00 in the morning till midnight to and have nobody to actually discuss stuff with. And that’s what a mastermind is now. You can run them on your own. Mine are run by me or Bob. One of my coaches when they’re created like that so that there is this safe container. You can finally ask the sorts of questions that potentially you don’t have time for anywhere else in your business, so it’s almost like a safe space for people to really have a level of kind of brainstorming where there’s kind of no no barriers to the level of kind of questioning, and it sounds to me like a sort of safe space for people to collaborate or completely. And it’s also a place where it might be. My masterminds are normally about a year long, so do allow time and people stay year after year after year. They get stuff done so at the beginning of the year we set goals that they will achieve for the end. So individual to each person or as a group per person for what they want to achieve and the group as a whole is carefully curated to the people in there and moving at about the same speed, meaning that they want they want to achieve stuff they want to work the same sorts of hours, although their plans are different, it would be very different. If so, we both wanted $2,000,000 this year and your at 900,000, and I’m starting from scratch, we are not moving at the same pace at all, unless I have had six successful exits from companies. I’m going to start a business with no problem at all, and with straight through and I already have backing at 800,000, then we are moving at the same pace, so the right people in the group, the right movement and one of the big things the group does is you can’t read the label inside the jar yourself. So wrong, you know the way you can look at somebody else’s love life and think oh they should not be together. Or are they thinking? Will someone else can go? Yes I can relate to that.

We you could, but you can’t see it in your own love life also can’t see anyone business but someone else can look at you and think what are you doing with your marketing? Why did you hire that horrendous person? What are you thinking? And that’s what I’m asking will give you will give you that space where you can think oh right. OK, now I understand that’s what’s going on. That’s what’s happening here. All I see it now the pennies dropped that kind of moment. It sounds to me that to get people who are. Or kind of in exactly the same pace, place moving at the same speed. The selection process in itself and kind of identifying people who will moving at that same sort of speed must be must take time in itself to identify you. Know these group of kind of similar profiled individuals exactly. And that’s I think for me is really the reason that some masterminds are successful and some aren’t. And it’s it’s that curation. It’s exactly that ’cause many of us know how to facilitate a meeting. Know how to. Bring out the quiet person to make sure everybody gets a good crack of the conversation. But if the wrong people are in the conversation, it’s not going to work. So from a business strategy point of view, it’s about having marketing that attracts the right people. It’s about looking applications about interviewing carefully, and that’s really the key. It’s like going to a dinner party when it’s the right people at the table. The conversation flows very easily, but we never know, footless, exactly, and we never notice. Who hasn’t been invited? It just feels easy conversation. I absolutely love that I’m getting excited. I think this is, I think this is fantastic good. I truly believe masterminds have completely changed my business and it’s because they did so well for me because one of the things that the mastermind does is basically just hang around with smart people and listen to their ideas. What’s not to love about that being in a room of people who you know surrounding yourself by great people, people who? A more experienced in you, you might even perceive to be better than you in some ways and others you’re going to learn a pretty fast pace. Being in an environment like that, moving on to the business coaching side of what you do, there was kind of 1 strap line that really stood out to me when I was kind of doing some research and it’s you teach people how to earn more, but work less now. That sounds like the answer to everybody’s dreams. Tell us about the business coach again and I think people are obviously going to wonder now, how do you achieve this? How do you earn more but work less well? Most of my clients are copywriters, designers, coaches and for those people the key is to work instead of 1 to one. But to work in groups. So I also train people how to run masterminds because most of the time and Full disclosure, this is not actually happening at the moment. But most of the time I only work a couple of hours a day on my business and it grows. And it does its work and everything is lovely. At the moment I’ve chosen to take a very busy project, so I’m working a lot more than that. But if you run them right so my masterminds are two hours a day. So I had two A2 hours per session and their two sessions a month. So once you add in all the admin it’s about 7 hours per month per group. Now you can easily run three to four groups and groups you can charge between. For years work you can charge between. 10,000 and well, really disguise the limit. I know of Masterminds there 100K per year and so if you run one or two of those, frankly you don’t have to work very hard. It sounds to me though, that the two hours that you do do a day I can imagine, but you know that’s the equivalent of what someone would know. I think you may be playing down these two hours of dailies if I’m honest. You’re doing those into the similar, so at 8 hour day you’ve gone from kind of not necessarily quantity over quality. In the past I can imagine it was, you know, know, 18 hour days equality as well, but it sounds to me like this is kind of, you know, fitting into a lifestyle for you now as well. Well, yes, partially partially that. But also, as with any business, when I when I started, I worked like a demon sort of stage. You’re in at the moment where you’re in growth in your scaling. Yes, I work very hard. I have a lot of. Assets and things out there that are working for me. Marketing wise pulling people to me do a lot of this kind of interviewing. People have begun to know me but to begin with I had to push all of that out into the world. Now I’ve become known for doing this kind of mastermind for running them for other people for training people. So now I can do sort of maintenance, marketing and the actual running of the mastermind is really very little, but it’s it. You’re right, you have to know what you’re doing. You have to concentrate like you would not believe. Those two hours, sometimes I am as tired as if I run a marathon. I can imagine you you’ve done is what I teach a lot of people and I’ve spoke about this before. I don’t think it’s enough in this modern day and age to just be good at your job. Just be competent at what you do. You’ve got to kind of build a personal brand and if you build that personal brand, the workflows to you, and I think you’re an absolute kind of prime example of someone that’s gone out there. Really, you know, put in that effort to become a brand. Become someone that you know is well known and it sounds to me that. You know that’s really paid dividends for you at this stage in your career. Thank you. It is also something you can’t stand still on, so I’m going to launch a podcast. I’m writing a book called think like a film crew, which is about the things I learned in film that are useful for. You have to keep going at this stuff as you know that’s why you’re doing a podcast, presumably, yeah, indeed, it’s I think it’s because the podcasts are me all kind of started really, but I wanted to sort of speak to interesting people and it was about for me it was about kind of letting people get insight into what people have done in. Order to become successful and as this journey is gone and I’m still evolving as a person, I think success it is such a kind of term that means different things to different people. And what does success mean to me? For me it means ultimately happiness, but I don’t. When I first started my business list. Oh my God, you know I was working all hours of the day. It was about turnover, size, growth. These milestones that we hit and I think you get to that place where I was unwell as well. I got to a place of my business but I wasn’t great. I was very unwell. And I, I think it kind of realigned all of you know what I’m trying to achieve. So tell me about we sort of coming to the end of this now and I can talk to you for several hours actually. What are your success habits? What do you do that kind of keeps you in the zone performing to your best keeping making sure that you know you’ve got a kind of healthy mind. If you water your success habits well normally I would say, well I do meditate every day and I do a lot of yoga at the moment. Since Covid I’ll be honest. I am now the shape of a weeble and I rarely go outside, so I don’t think I really, really a good example of these things, but the only good thing they have done for my body recently is I bought this is gonna sound ridiculous. I bought a dehydrator which is a little little very slow oven and instead of eating unhealthy snacks, I dehydrate pineapple and eat it like it’s crisps. It is the best thing on the planet, but you know what I’ve been told About Air Fryers. And I seriously invested into one of those as soon as I was told, but I’ve never ever heard of a dehydrator. I’ve heard of rehydrated in some ways, but not a dehydrator. I’ll have to look into that. I’m sure people will be curious. Things like carrot crisps it also it’s wonderful. It really is, but really sounds great. They are great. It’s all about Pineapple. I can’t say it. Anything else is healthy, healthy about my life. I sit still as a stone, barely moving. Working away, nibbling on pineapple, it sounds like you absolutely love though what you do and you’ve reached this place now where it’s all about you kind of taking people on this journey. Just Lastly, a question I’ve got. What would you say? Successful people you work with? All these people have had success in different forms. Whether it’s being creative or whatever it’s been in front of a camera. Whether it’s being someone who is leading a business, what do you think is a common trait of successful people? People have reached the top. What is it that they’ve got that you know, people who may be started? Business failed? Their businesses haven’t got to the top. What is it that people have got to that place? Have got that you think that you know other people need? You know, maybe haven’t got interesting. I also want to go back through all of your other episodes and find other people have answered to this. So the questions range every time. But I do ask some similar threads, but I find it so interesting just to ask these questions to people. Go ahead. So for me, I think it’s about network. I really do. I think it’s it’s truly who you know, and I didn’t start knowing anyone. I am an oik over highest quarter, but I I met people and became friends with them and then stayed in touch with them. So I started I I was thinking about this recently. Actually I lived in India for a long time. I was working at dream works out there and I remember reading a couple of business books and the people who wrote those books eight years ago nine years ago whenever they came out there now. Personal friends of mine. And that’s not because I am some Scary Stalker, but because I worked my way into that field. Just as I did with film, I found out the right people to speak to. I became friends with them. I stayed in touch with them, moved forward like that and that network is what elevates you from being very good at your job. And no one’s ever heard of you and being very good job and having your friends promote you. I think that’s really great advice and I totally agree with that. I think it’s something which I’ve learned in recent years as well. It’s you know, if you’re going to know someone, you’ve got to put in that time to really get to know people. And I think again, when you’re really busy with work and you’re kind of working all hours and you’re not giving enough time to your social time. I’m talking from experience.

This is personal experience. I would say get from a place of knowledge. If you know you need to invest that time in people, and I think that’s great advice. If people want to find out more about mastermind groups or you know you in particular and that they’re interested in them. But where would they? Where would you suggest that they go to? Well, I would obviously suggest they go to my website rethinkcentral.com, where I will make a special page for your listeners and it will be in the show notes. I’m sure great. Well exactly. And it was really think central.com, that’s it, right fantastic. On a closing note list, is there any advice you would give to someone who is perhaps graduating at the moment trying to find their way in the world? We get a lot of people who listen to this show who just kind of qualifying from University. It’s a scary time out there at the moment. What advice would you give to someone you know? Just trying to find their way in the world or perhaps even started? You know their own business? Well, two fold. Actually, it really is. One is speak to lots of people become and stay in touch with those people. The other is under no circumstances ever used the words I’d like to pick your brain because if you have any form of success, you hear those words. So often you want to punch people, but you do want to stay in touch and most people want to help. They just can’t bear those words you must have must have found the same thing. I’m not a fan of the phrase in general actually, and I do get asked a lot. I want someone to come to me. You know this is who I am. This is what I, you know I really need, you know. You to direct me in this way or this way you know to come to me with something more than just give me a load of information because I’ve got so much information I don’t know where to start. If someone comes to me with that. If someone gives me an actual question actual, you know place they want to go to, I can point them in the right place, but I think that you know one of the things that when you’re running a busy businesses, you lack in time and that’s that’s no disrespect to anyone out there at all who starting out, but you know, there’s there’s. There’s more people out there, you know who want a piece of human. There is time you have in the day, so.

It’s about I think it’s about being concise and to the point. Absolutely absolutely Liz. I have absolutely loved this half an hour. Thank you so much for joining me. Is being really, really interesting. Anybody wants to find out more about Liz or her mastermind groups can go to rethinkcentral.com and list. Thanks very much for joining me. I’m Jason Connolly. This is the career success podcast until next time goodbye.

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